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>> meaning what? >> remembering that we have a long meeting. >> what we are going to do our best to do and i think that we be able to do is have packets ready, the week before thanksgiving, so that you will have them during the rush of the holidays, you will have extra time. >> the monday before? >> hopefully the week before. >> even the week before that? i see. i see what you are saying, that would be great >> right. and i had trouble trying to schedule a december meeting because our normal meeting date would be the 24th, the night of the 24th. so i am going to... i am going to give that one more go around but we may not be able to have a december meeting. >> the final thing is one of the requests for the future meetings at past meetings was that we do a discussion of the report that the budget analyst harvey rose did comparing us to
la. we have decided that before we have that discussion, here at the commission, that we should have interested persons meetings with the public. and get some input from them. so we schedule two of them for december. and then we planned to bring that report before you for the january meeting. >> that is a good idea. >> to answer your question, going back to the scheduling. >> sure. >> so for december, we don't... there is nothing on tentatively schedule for the 14th, december 14th? >> no. >> there is not. >> okay. thank you. >> okay. anything public comment? >> on the executive director's report. >> thank you, dr. kerr again. this chart on the first page of the director's report, that has 6 categories of investigations and enforcements, mr. st. croix
introduced that chart in 2006, but the first month that this chart was introduced that was whistle blower/sunshine ordinance. since then, in the last six years, the word whistle blower has not appeared. now whistle blower retaliation is arguably a more serious problem than any of these because it involves the destruction of someone's professional life and personal life, too. and it is part of your responsibility to over see whistle blower protection. so i would suggest and plead that whistle blower retaliation be one of the categories so that you know how many complaints come in, and you can track whether any of them gets substan ated. thank you. >> commissioners, ray heart,
director of san francisco open government. i do read these reports. i read every one of them, front to back and i go back and make notes on them and everything else because i really do want to come here and make meaningful comment. for example, category number two investigation enforcement programs number of complaints what does that tell us? how long have those complaints been sitting? i know for a fact that the 9 for the sunshine ordinance task force have been sitting there for god knows how long. so basically, i could have to... i don't think that it is unfair to assume that some of these other complaints may just be sitting in someone's desk aging and eventually someone will get around to it and someone will put it up. these really are meanless statistics. and nine people filed a complaint, and how many were referred from sunshine? how many of you heard, well, we
know that. one. gomez, where did that go? nowhere. because the mayor only wants to use you if it suits his political ends. i told you that before. he hung you out to dry, he wanted to get rid of the sheriff. i personally think that he wanted to take control of the sheriff's office. get rid of the sheriff put his own person in and say look at how wonderful it runs under the mayor's office. why have an elected sheriff? the bottom line was, it didn't work. these sunshine complaints, i voted in the very first election in san francisco in 1999 and they happened to be the latest iteration of the sunshine ordinance. andvy gone back and done the research and seen that you have not taken a single complaint for a hearing except the jewe l gomez and i think that the only reason that you did that was
because the civil grand jury pointed it out in their report and you wanted to be able to say no, that is not true, we heard one. you know, it is really auful, and you can be as dismissive as possible, and it is really auful to sit in board and commission meetings and watch citizens denied their right to speak, being told that they are not allowed to speak about certain things. and then, they have to go to the sunshine ordinance task force and fight for those rights under the sunshine ordinance. then to get enforcement, they have to have it referred to you and you simply allow mr. st. croix to dismiss them all. and you wonder why i am a little ticked. i have four things on the 150 word summaries that i mentioned before that have all been approved by the sunshine ordinance task force, and mr.
st. croix spent 134 pages dismissing against you so that you would not have the guts to hear it. >> the discuss on items for future meetings? >> on the executive director's report, the list of the whistle blower complaints, is this something that we used to have that and we have taken it off? >> it goes into the confidential report, don't we? >> we do. >> we get those in the confidential listing. >> i will see what we can add back on again. >> okay. >> public comment on number 8? >> could i ask you to repeat what you said about the whistle
blower complaints? >> will they be in or not? >> mr. st. croix said that he will look into what additional information we could put on there relating to the whistle blower complaints. >> is is there a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> so moved. >> i did want to make a comment on eight. >> you did? >> okay. >> yes. >> ray heart, director of san francisco open government and you can sit there and attribute every negative and other motives that you want to me. i don't care. very frankly i have told you and every other body that i have appeared to before that my only two reasons to going to public meetings are to make sure that the nems members of the public are allowed to speak and allowed to gain access to public records that they need to speak intelligently to certain issues. i went to an arts commission
meeting where i watched a commissioner respond to a public comment which was polite suggesting that they needed to have sunshine, with comments like mr. whoever you are i don't appreciate be lectured by someone like you. and i am going to do everything in my power to make sure that you are no longer part of this any more. and it gets to the point where people who take a vow to support and defend the constitution start to abuse members of the public. i know that it has gone too far. and i know that you don't like the comments. basically what i found on a lot of these city commissions they want to take credit for everything that goes well and avoid responsibility for anything that isn't going well. they want credit for showing up. but they don't want to be bothered with a lot of the work. and we had one member of the
commission when there was an argument going on tell one of the witnesses, when they were referred to one of the documents that have been submitted to them and they said, well i don't need to read the documents. and it is time and time again and the reason that i do this is for one simple reason. there are a lot of people who getting up in front of a public body especially on public television, are afraid to do it. they are just afraid to come up to a body and say, you know, i don't like what you are doing and that is just another part of the first amendment to petition government to readdress the grievances. when i started coming here, i tried to be polite, but when you are polite with you folks it gets you nowhere, you get someone who said that well, we follow the law if we have to and you say, well here is what the law says and the person sits there and looks down. read the 150 word summary thing in the minutes, it is pretty
clear. and i would like to ask you something if we ended up in court and i subpoenaed all of you, and before a jury, or a lawyer got up and said, what did that 150 word summary should be in the minutes mean to you? and does it make any sense that the city attorney said that you could put it somewhere else? i think that you would have a hard time answering that question, wouldn't you? >> a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> i would like... >> so moved. >> second. >> second >> all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> opposed, hearing none, the meeting is adjourned.
>> good afternoon and welcome to the october 26, 2012 meeting of the local agency formation commission for the city and county of san francisco. i am david campos and i am the chair of the commission. we have our clerk is linda wong and we want to thank the following members of sfg tv staff for covering the meeting today. madam clerk if you could please call the role.
>> commissioner avalos. present. commissioner olague absent. commissioner mar, present. commissioner pimentel. commissioner schmeltzer. >> present. >> there is a quorum. >> thank you very much. if you could call item two. >> item two is the minutes from the special meeting. >> do you have the minutes of the meeting? before we take any action i would like to ep it up to public comment. any member of the public that would like to speak to item two? seeing none public comment is closed. colleagues do we have a motion? we have a motion by commissioner avalos and second by commissioner schmeltzer. if we could take that without
objection. madam clerk will you please call item three. >> item three is reports and update on cleanpower sf and update on the california puv, suggestions for items to be discussed at the last meeting. >> our executive officer nancy miller. >> yes nancy miller through the chairs. we have waiting for sf puc staff. >> shall we come back to this item? >> why don't we do that and see if anyone shows up. >> commissioner schmeltzer. >> i believe maises hale will be in shortly. >> if there is no objection let's move to item four. >> item four is studies on the voting process and for local offices in the city and county of san francisco. >> thank you. if we could now any mr. fried for a report.
>> sure. jason fried and we asked some changes made to the report. they sat down with myself and chair campos so they were invited to what they felt were suggestive edits to the report that they felt needed to make the report better. that report is in your packet and you can review it if you choose to make the changes. i wanted to mention because we rarely get communications from outside folks. we did get a comiewgz from cory cook and we got it late yesterday so if you have any questions on it i will be more than happy to try and answer those commission. >> commissioner avalos. >> thank you. i am just reviewing the letter for the first time. could you summarize it for me? >> sure. basically he is saying that the terminology used in the original report is fine. i
used language that what would be the traditional academic version of the language and he is okay. he doesn't feel there is a reason to make change scption he understands it's it was done accordingly and reasons why i changed the language is primarily it was the language used in the city and since was to deal with san francisco and the discussion going on at the time i wanted to keeplet language the same to that discussion and why i had the definitions the way it was and he wanted changes made that were more traditional in nature. >> are you a academic or a card carrying member of a amdemmic institution? >> no. >> thank you. >> before we take any action is there any member of the public that would like to speak on this
item? seeing none public comment is closed. mr. fried in terms of here, the lafco we can make the changes? >> yes, you can or if you don't want to. >> it's up to the commission. commissioner avalos. >> i don't feel strongly about makes changes. the report was complete. i am fine with the language and served our purpose here. if there are academics that want refer to the report they can use it in whateve setting they want. >> okay. >> seeing no other action let's proceed to item five. >> item five is executive's
officer report. >> just for the record we of joined by commissioner olague. >> commissioners the joint meeting is set for the 30th and when ms. hale arrives we will talk about the agenda items for that. at your chair you have the notice of cleanpower sf and it's in the english, spanish, and chinese, so i have really no other report. >> thank you very much. colleagues any questions for our executive officer? why don't we open it up to public comment. any member of the public that would like to speak to this item please come forward. >> good afternoon eric brooks and localing the local green party. sounds like you're moving so fast i missed the caa item which is a good sign. >> we're coming back to it. >> i wanted to speak in regard
to scheduling and the joint lafco caa meeting. i was at the last meeting and the first one started taking on community choice and cleanpower sf and rate setting, and i was -- it was good to hear at that meeting the chair actually say that we need a lot of the customer data and things like that, and a lot more study work to help advise the rate setting process before this is taken up by the sf puc and then the joint lafco /sf puc, and a lot of that data has just a couple days ago come in from local power, but it will probably take throughout november to crunch that and longer to crunch that and apply it to the rate setting, so i would just ask the various
bodies to be flexible in their time line now. we have gotten this thing passed. it's on the way and now we to make sure we have solid customer data and solid data in what we might be installing and inform the process of making the opt out better. possibly giving us better rates from the beginning or shortly therefore and making sure we're identifying customers the right way with regard to marketing this thing to them so we can way down below what is currently projected as 50% opt out and that is likely to go past the joint meeting next month, so just wanted to put that forward that we want to make sure that we're not rocketing too forward too quickly setting the rates until we have all the information we need from local power and other studies. >> thank you mr. brooks. any other member of the public that would like to speak on this
item? seeing none public comment is closed. madam clerk if you could call item three. >> item three community choice aggregation report and status update on cleanpower sf and update on california puc. >> and there are several reports and joint meeting that will be taking place and i will turn it over to the lafco staff and we were joined also by barbara hale. >> ms. hale will speak to the first item. >> commissioners. barbara hale, assistant general manager for
power. since i appeared before you last our commission has authorized us to go forward with a communications, customer notification the taft order with the winning group and we will go forward with targeting the group and what factors that we need to take to add the boards communications and the focus rolling it out, launching the program to customers with service as earliest as july 2013. we expect to be before our commission on november 13 with a proposal for
how to incorporate the direction from the board into the program, and then before the yourself and our commission in a joint meeting on november 30 where we will talk again about the same concept. how to factor in the direction we receive from the board into the program as we previously conceived of it. what the timing is that we envision to make sure that we're getting -- we're incorporating that direction and approaching the program at a pace that our commission and the lafco commission is comfortable with. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> ms. hale. ms. miller. >> yes. i believe we also have a stakeholder meeting scheduled to discuss -- this is the stakeholder meeting where we discuss the work of local power and we discuss the roll out so that is
scheduled -- i will you have three more rate meetings and next time we're together i think we can have kind of a complete, more complete package to you give in terms of rates and dates and other information. >> and i would agree -- thank you for catching the items i neglected to mention. i would agree with you except for i'm not certain that the rate fairness board will be in a position to advise our commission yet. i don't expect that will happen until december. >> okay. i do have a quick question and my colleagues probably have other questions but in terms of some of the issues raised making sure people that don't want be part of the program have ample opportunity to opt out is there going to be an outreach plan or a plan for ensuring that that is the case
especially with communities where it might be more difficult to reach those communities? so i am wondering if you could say a little bit about that. >> yes, we intend to conduct customer notification and education program. components that we talked about previously were very targeted toward the statutorily required opt out. now we're factoring in a preenrollment phase ahead of that opt out. that's the approach we think we're going to be recommending and how to ensure that communication and education that goes with that plan is as responsive and as complete and deep as it needs to be to make sure that we don't have any accidental customers. >> commissioner pimentel. >> what type of outreach strategies do you have to
educate the community members about cleanpower sf and how will you go about implement them? will there be community meetings or mailers? >> it's a all of the above approach at this point. as i said we just got our customer education and notification consultant on board -- authority really -- not even on board yet, authority to get them on board, so it's of course developing, but yes we see working with community based organizations, using community meetings. i would say that prior to our new direction from the board we had conceived of a more media centric approach and now i think it's more hand to hand engagement if you will that we really need to incorporate more into the program, and largely focused at that preenrollment
part of the communication, but there is more to come on that as we develop it with bringing our contractor on board. thank you. >> commissioner schmeltzer. >> thank you. and i'm glad to see the fliers that you've -- i guess the samples you have given us. just in looking at the samples, and i know you're just developing your materials i notice that it does repeat a lot that the energy provided by cleanpower sf will be 100% renewable and clean. i think it might be useful when explaining that to mention that -- what the benefit of that is. that the power isn't going to come from power plants that create soot and cause childrens' asthma, and the reasons that many people in
the community have for not wanting power plants in their community whether it's in san francisco or across the bay in another community as we saw with the trandzs bay cable. this enables people not to get the power from the power plants and enables the power plants not so much demand for them. i think it might be obviously not in such a complicated long way, but just to point out it's not just that it's clean and from solar and wind and that it's not from soot creating power plants. >> that's a point well taken to make sure we don't lose the opportunity to educate about the benefit of that choice. >> and this is a premium. there is a premium because it's a benefit to the air that we all breathe and share. >> thank you commissioner for that feedback. >> thank you very much. vice
chair avalos. >> thank you. just a couple questions related to the outreach efforts. we talk about opt out but not necessarily opt in that we had in the side conversation. i think it's a great opportunity. i think using us for the opt in process and i think both in opt in and opt out social media is going to be really helpful and i know we have used social media in relation to cleanpower sf but it hasn't been robust and i think there are ways of making it very useful and i think those are strategies that we can employ. >> thank you. we would be very open to spending a little time with our communication folks and yourselves and/or the staff to mind the good ideas you have to reach out to your communities. i refer to as reenrollment and
the opt in concept and people can raise their hand "i'm interested" and let us know so that we include them in the first phrase of the roll out. >>i think the joint meeting would be great and especially on the subject of opting in and have discussion on that as well. >> yes. great. thank you. >> if i could just add because i think the success of the program is dependent upon the marketing so think it's important that is shared with the commission, and that we have some -- i mean we of participatory in the selection of the consultant and it has been great, but i think how we rollthis out is important and as we know in marin we